I am - Fuck Bu$h of the day

[Timbar]

Ape like creature bent on destroying Americans everywhere. Your thoughts?:D

[sxyhotwfe]

Good sweet Jesus you are right!

[JapaneseGameShow]

At least Cheney isn't in charge......er.....ummmmm......

[sxyhotwfe]

Now if Cheney were really in charge, then we'd some serious butt-kicking laid on the bastards. That dude rocks!

[goonarms]

I thought this was a thread about shaving the cha cha!

[bisoerocks44]

Hahaha...good One!

[tc5757]

yeah he's great, so bad the next one will be Hillary Clinton, ugh, the only good thing about that is it makes Bill Clinton the first lady.:p

[Soldier's Girl]

Jeez....just don't go hunting with Chenney ;) hehe Unless, you're into picking buckshot out of your ass....

[Randal Graves]

GW ain't great, but at least they aren't letting me run the country. We'd really be fucked then.

[Braden]

I think this may in fact be the most ridiculous place I have ever seen this same old, back and forth, no facts, hate/pride, political face-off.

[Another.Stoopid.Ho.]

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true. but most of these guys have jerked off whatever ploitical prowness they have and dont give a fuck. so give em a break.
that said, fuck bush. karl rove's puppet, war criminal, plagarist mother fucker.

[Five Inch Taint]

Bush hates homosexuals but loves Dick.....Weird

[mc_coolbeans]

George Bush, “I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don’t always agree with them”

thats all i gotta say about my boss

[DSF Guest 3]

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If you don't get it, why are you laughing?

Are you really as lame as you seem to be?

I just wanna let you know right now, if its not obvious, you piss me off.

see you on the flipside!

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Is he my favorite president? No. Is he as bad as everyone says? Also no.

Sure, he doesn't really have a way with the English language, but he is a smart person. Some say he lied about Iraq... I don't really think that after we found Sarin gas loaded onto MiG-25s and mustard gas-filled short range munitions. Some whine about the economy. Fuck you. Gas prices are $9 some places in Europe. The employment rates are higher than ever, and despite the housing market being in shambles, more Americans own a home than they have in the past two decades.

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some Poll
data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true given the source,
right? The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are
unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the
country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence 2/3
of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change. So being the
knuckle dragger I am, I started thinking, 'What are we so unhappy
about?'

A. Is it that we have electricity and running water 24 hours a day, 7
Days a week?

B. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the
summer and heating in the winter?

C. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and
see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

E. Maybe it is the ability to drive our cars and trucks from the Pacific
Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean without having to present identification
papers as we move through each state?

F. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along
the way that can provide temporary shelter?

G. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from
around the world is just not good enough either.

H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up
and provide services to help all and even send a helicopter to take you
to the hospital.

I. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.

J. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a
fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top
notch equipment to extinguish the flames, thus saving you, your family,
and your belongings.

K. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a
burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a
bulletproof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack
or loss... or better yet, you can legally own and utilize the means to do it yourself.

L. This all in the backdrop of a neighborhood free of bombs or militias
raping and pillaging the residents. Neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers
own cell phones and computers.

M. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we
enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the
world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the US, yet has a great
disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed
people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't
have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good
Lord we live here.

I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no
plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval
rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark
days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of
recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in
the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe
from terrorist attacks? The commander-in-chief of an all-volunteer army
that is out there defending you and me?

Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did
this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a
look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad? Think
about it......are you upset at the President because he actually caused
you personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing
to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day. Make no mistake about
it.


The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, myself included, have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. We didn't have to go. We are able to refuse to go
and end up with either a ''general' discharge, an 'other than honorable' discharge or, worst case scenario, a 'dishonorable' discharge after a few days in the brig.

So why then the flat-out discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of
Americans?

Say what you want but I blame it on the media. If it bleeds it leads and
they specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood
and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this and media outlets are
for-profit corporations.

They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions
by 'justifying' them in one way or another. Just ask why they tried to
allow a murderer like O.J. Simpson to write a book about how he didn't
kill his wife, but if he did he would have done it this way......Insane!

Turn off the motherfucking TV, burn your stupid copy of Newsweek, and use the New York Times for the bottom of your bird cage. Then start being grateful for all we have as country. There is exponentially more good than bad.

Rant mode off.

[scampr]

It's not unheard of for people to confuse patriotism with praise of the president and his decisions. Fortunately our founding fathers didn't see it that way.


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I commend your service. I think everyone who served without the draft went in for similar reasons and we all feel strongly about our country. But I don't think that we all concur about the president. I also don't think the media is wrong when it runs stories about his catastrophic failures. I also don't think it's unpatriotic or whiny or spoiled to expect the greatest nation in the world to continue to improve and not backtrack on the ideals of our founding fathers. Rome was once the greatest nation on the planet. The people got complacent, they let a few egomaniacal leaders drive them in horribly wrong directions and now what's left of the empire is a few tourist stops on the continent and some great stories. Here's hoping our young country finds a better fate.

[MickC]

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Hell Yeah!! You just got hit with BlackCryptonite, bitch!

Nice to see the (Warning - Partial Intelligence) has gone.....

[Choppie]

Since when did patriotism allude to social blindness and moral disregard?

[Glen Quagmire]

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Since January 2000.

[Choppie]

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Yeah. I often find myself judging current actions by what future generations will think of them. I have little doubt that Bush has earned a worse name than Nixon.

[mc_coolbeans]

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you dont get it?!?!?!

he has his OWN OPINIONS yet he doesnt agree with them...

[DickandTracy]

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Did he lied about IRAQ - ABSOLUTELY.
The reason why we are in Iraq is because of OIL (and his personal agenda to one up his father). Every reason this administration presented to the American public for going into Iraq - you can apply that same criteria to North Korea (and NK's WMDs are big fucking Nuclear), but you will never see Bush sending troops to that country. And remind me again - how is Iraq directly related to 9/11? And now - is he thinking of Iran? WTF?!

And you call him Smart? Adolf Hitler was a Brilliant person and he certainly had command of his language.
If your boss, manager, leader - repeatedly and constantly makes mistakes and dumbfounded bloopers in his/her speech and rhetoric, you will believe he/she is pathetic and stupid especially if there has no hint of improvement.

[MickC]

^^^^^^^ Lock and load, Shotgunner!!

[Trips]

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Wow when I can correct a post you know someone is gonna get slaughtered. :eek:

[DSF Guest 3]

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And that right there made you sig-worthy!

And as far as Jack and Diane goes.....

Go back to the glorious years back on Haight Ashbury. The rest of us will stay in the real world.

[Striker]

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Yeah, that's why gas is fucking $4+ a gallon and why Bush is now pushing Congress (the democrat run Congress which has single digit approval rating (http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/congressional_performance/congressional_performance), the lowest ever recorded by Rasmussen) to open up drilling.

Every major intelligence agency said Iraq had WMD, but no, you're right, it was all Bush and only Bush. He made it all up and lied through his teeth.
Content and Download links visible to registered users only.Just because someone doesn't give good public speeches doesn't mean they are dumb. I'm pretty smart (not to toot my own horn) but I fuck up talking one on one sometimes. He graduated from Yale, but I guess that only means something if it's someone you agree with.

And before you start running your mouth about me loving Bush; I don't. He's fuck up a lot of shit. I just can't stand idiots like you spewing bullshit that you copied and pasted off Democratic Underground.

Fact is, the vast majority of politicians are pretty shitty; there are very few I have any faith in... few as in single digit few.

By the way, the Hitler comparison MAKES NO SENSE, Bush is not committing genocide. He is not killing homosexuals, and Jews and he has not invaded and taken over mainland Europe. In fact, the only countries he/we have invaded, are being run by their own governments and are now free countries.

[megagreg1]

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Really now please get your information correct. Sadam and his government supported terrorists in a very open way, by offering 50,000$ to the family of any suicide bomber. Tell me that is someone we want in charge. True that we did put the Taliban in control of Afghanistan but that was our wonderful Nobel Prize winning ex pres Jimmy Carter who, for some reason people think has a rainbow blowing out of his ass. These are the people whom Iraq was supporting giving money to to blow up innocent women and children for a simple difference of religious belief.

So really look into these things before you spout off America is moving out of Iraq slowly, but still moving. We still have troops in Germany for goodness sake. We left Vietnam and the and bang, we are still in South Korea and there is a peace sure an uneasy one, but peace anyway. While those are examples of a poorly thought out war you see what happens. We need to stay to help keep the peace.

And remember Bush may have sent us in there, but only congress has the right to declare a war(which I believe they did), the President may do so but only for 100 days. Also our Democratic anti war congress is still funding this war, even if the President tells our troops to stay congress decides wether or not it is going to get paid for.

Do I like war no, do we need to leave now that we have started, we can't. I hate war but it needs to be done sometimes.

[strommsarnac]

One thing that amazes me about Bush bashers - They all believe that the President is the sole factor in what the USA does. Talk about ignorant people.

Fact is that the USA wouldn't be in Iraq if Congress and the Senate didn't approve.

Also, this crap about there being NO WMD's there is political BS. I have friends who were ordered to guard some of it till French troops "Under the UN" came and took possession. Then they headed North. Hmm. Why North. Why is everyone forgetting about the biologic vehicles shown on the news reports? Why is everyone forgetting about the truckloads of manuals written in French which the UN took away to "evaluate" and then LOST!!

Here's a fact - France shipped hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons, equipment and technical resources into Iraq between Dessert Storm and our going in to remove Saddam. They have made attempt to deny this and claim it was all "their right". Yet, none of the weapons and equipment collected by the "UN troops" from British, American, Canadian, etc troops have been seen since.

Scary fact - ALL of it went into Syria. Not just the US has imagery of the caravans, but so does Russia, England and everyone else with access to navsat's. Heck, back when this was all going on, one could even catch brief images on google maps.

[rankamateur]

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While I have no doubt that Bush himself told you about his desire to one-up his father (how else would you know something like that?) Let's look at why we're there:

1. Congress gave the president full authority to purse the 9/11 terrorists anywhere. Saddam ran training grounds (yes, we have pics) and rewarded families of martyrs.

2. Bin Laden himself says the focal point in Al Qaeda's war against the US is Iraq.

3. Just a month ago, the US military moved 550 TONS of yellowcake uranium out of Iraq, sending it to Canada to be converted into fuel for power plants. Yes, that qualifies as WMDs.

So, Congress said "Bush, go get the bad guys." The bad guys are in Iraq, and we've found the big weapon stuff that Bush AND Clinton said were over there.

Incidentally, there never has been a "civil war" since we've been in Iraq. A civil war is one country fighting amongst itself. The resistance we're encountering is Iranians and Syrians, and the weapons they're using are mostly Iranian. So yes, Bush is thinking about Iran, because that country is waging war on us.

[rankamateur]

And Here's what some Democrats said before Bush was even in office:

Madeleine Albright, February 1st, 1998 -- "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."

Madeleine Albright, February 18, 1998 -- Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face, and it is a threat against which we must and will stand firm.

Madeleine Albright, February 18, 1998 -- "No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators."

Madeleine Albright, November 10, 1999 -- "Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."

Sandy Berger, Clinton national security advisor, February 18th, 1998 -- He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And someday, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again, as he has ten times since 1983.

Bill Clinton, February 17th, 1998 -- "If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."

Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998 -- "We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century.... They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."

Bill Clinton, February 17, 1998 -- "His regime threatens the safety of his people, the stability of his region, and the security of all the rest of us.
What if he fails to comply, and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made?
Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction.
And some day, some way, I guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

Bill Clinton, December 16, 1998 -- "Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors,"

Bill Clinton, December 16, 1998 -- "The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a government that respects the rights of its people.”

Tom Daschle, February 11, 1998 -- "The (Clinton) administration has said, 'Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?' That's what they're saying. This is the key question. And the answer is we don't have another option. We have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily."

Howard Dean, January 31, 1998 -- Iraq is an international outlaw. I'm not sure China is one, but I'm quite sure Iran and Iraq are.

Dick Durbin, September 30, 1999 -- "One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons."

Al Gore, December 16, 1998 -- "[I]f you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons? He has already demonstrated a willingness to use such weapons..."

John Kerry, February 23, 1998 -- "Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East."

Nancy Pelosi, December 16th, 1998 -- "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."

Bill Richardson, May 29, 1998 -- "The threat of nuclear proliferation is one of the big challenges that we have now, especially by states that have nuclear weapons, outlaw states like Iraq."

"It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime."
Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
105th Congress, 2nd Session
Sponsored by Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and Joseph Lieberman, and signed into law by President Clinton

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions, including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
That from a letter to President Clinton signed by Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, October 9th, 1998


Now, did Bush lie to them all while he was governor of Texas? Is that why this was on the table before he was in office? You see, DickandTracy, every single reason Bush presented for going into Iraq and eliminating that threat was proposed BY DEMOCRATS BEFORE BUSH WAS EVEN A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT!!

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Okay, so let's see here... we have:

-Two dozen Russian MiG 25 Foxbats buried in the desert, loaded up with external fuel tanks and Sarin gas, capable of reaching and destroying the Eastearn seaboard of the USA

-Billions of pounds of weapons-grade Uranium

-A UN resolution saying that the US would be justified in its invasion of Iraq assuming that it had reason to believe Iraq had WMDs or chemichal/biological weapons

-Quotes from dozens of famous Democrats including the POTUS "lying to the American public" about Saddam's WMDs while 'Dubya was still smoking weed in the basement of his ranch in Crawford

-Osama Bin Laden's own admission of the fact that Iraq is the focal point for their war on America

-Congress' full approval for Bush's war on terrorism

-The possibility that nuclear weapons could be just buried somewhere in the desert, just like those MiGs were

-Pakistanis that won't let us into the country to search for Bin Laden, probably because they're the ones that Iraq gave their nuclear weapons to before the war

-Video feed of buildings where Iraqis are loading weapon-building parts onto trucks at the back door while UN weapons inspectors enter in the front door

-A dictator that ran and oversaw terrorists in training personally, who rewarded people that killed US civillians and Marines LIKE ME in the most cowardly chickenshit way possible

-Google Earth images showing truck convoys in Iraq on the highway heading from their weapons plants toward their borders... strange....

And the list just goes on. Your move, Liberals....

[DickandTracy]

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Those lovely Quotes were from when Iraq waged war against Kuwait.
Please pull some quotes that linked Iraq to 9/11!


VP Cheney in 1994: says that invading Iraq would create a quagmire. Lots of Casualties! How many dead soldiers is it worth for going into Iraq? And again how is Iraq DIRECTLY related to 9/11???? At last check - Osama Bin Laden is still alive - not much is mention about him in the last years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_gm1zNURfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_gm1zNURfo)

[DickandTracy]

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AGAIN - REMIND ME HOW IRAQ WAS DIRECTLY RELATED TO 9/11??????

AND Yeah - going to Yale and just passing with a C-Average is not something ONE would want to Boast AND Brag about. And how he got accepted into Yale? It certainly wasn't Affirmative action - more like Legacy Preference (being the privileged son of Big George H).

And equating Bush with Hitler:

1. Like Hitler, President Bush was not elected by a majority, but was forced to engage in political maneuvering in order to gain office.

2. Like Hitler, Bush began to curtail civil liberties in response to a well-publicized disaster, in Hitler’s case the Reichstag fire, in Bush’s case the 9-11 catastrophe.

3. Like Hitler, Bush went on to pursue a reckless foreign policy without the mandate of the electorate and despite the opposition of most foreign nations.

4. Like Hitler, Bush has increased his popularity with conservative voters by mounting an aggressive public relations campaign against foreign enemies. Just as Hitler cited international communism to justify Germany’s military buildup, Bush has used Al Qaeda and the so-called Axis of Evil to justify our current military buildup. Paradoxically none of the nations in this axis--Iraq, Iran and North Korea--have had anything to do with each other.

5. Like Hitler, Bush has promoted militarism in the midst of economic recession (or depression as it was called during the thirties). First he used war preparations to help subsidize defense industries (Halliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, etc.) and presumably the rest of the economy on a trickle-down basis. Now he turns to the very same corporations to rebuild Iraq, again without competitive bidding and at extravagant profit levels.

6. Like Hitler, Bush displays great populist enthusiasm in his patriotic speeches, but primarily serves wealthy investors who subsidize his election campaigns and share with him their comfortable lifestyle. As he himself jokes, he treats these individuals at the pinnacle of our economy as his true political “base.”

7. Like Hitler, Bush envisages our nation’s unique historic destiny almost as a religious cause sanctioned by God. Just as Hitler did for Germany, he takes pride in his “providential” role in spreading his version of Americanism throughout the entire world.

8. Like Hitler, Bush promotes a future world order that guarantees his own nation’s hegemonic supremacy rather than cooperative harmony under the authority of the United Nations (or League of Nations).

9. Like Hitler, Bush quickly makes and breaks diplomatic ties, and he offers generous promises that he soon abandons, as in the cases of Mexico, Russia, Afghanistan, and even New York City. The same goes for U.S. domestic programs. Once Bush was elected, many leaders of these programs learned to dread his making any kind of an appearance to praise their success, since this was almost inevitably followed by severe cuts in their budgets.

10. Like Hitler, Bush scraps international treaties, most notably the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the Biological Weapons Convention, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, the Convention on the Prohibition of Land Mines, the Chemical Weapons Convention, the Kyoto Global Warming Accord, and the International Criminal Court.

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11. Like Hitler, Bush repeats lies often enough that they come to be accepted as the truth. Bush and his spokesmen argued, for example, that they had taken every measure possible to avoid war, than an invasion of Iraq would diminish (not intensify) the terrorist threat against the U.S., that Iraq was linked with Al Qaeda, and that nothing whatsoever had been achieved by U.N. inspectors to warrant the postponement of U.S. invasion plans. All of this was false. They also insisted that Iraq hid numerous weapons it did not possess since the mid-190s, and they refused to acknowledge the absence of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq since the early nineties. As perhaps to be expected, they indignantly accused others of deception and evasiveness.

12. Like Hitler, Bush incessantly shifted his arguments to justify invading Iraq--from Iraq’s WMD threat to the elimination of Saddam Hussein, to his supposed Al Qaeda connection, to the creation of Iraqi democracy in the Middle East as a model for neighboring states, and back again to the WMD threat. As soon as one excuse for the war was challenged, Bush advanced to another, but only to shift back again at another time.

13. Like Hitler, Bush and his cohorts emphasize the ruthlessness of their enemies in order to justify their own. Just as Hitler cited the threat of communist violence to justify even greater violence on the part of Germany, the bush team justified the invasion of Iraq by emphasizing Hussein’s crimes against humanity over the past twenty-five years. However, these crimes were for the most part committed when Iraq was a client-ally of the U.S. Our government supplied Hussein with illegal weapons (poison gas included), and there were sixty U.S. advisors in Iraq when these weapons were put to use (see NY Times, Aug. 18, 1992). U.S. aid to Iraq was actually doubled afterwards despite disclaimers from Washington that our nation opposed their use. President Reagan’s special envoy Donald Rumsfeld personally informed Hussein of this one hundred percent increment during one of his two trips to Iraq at the time. He also told Hussein not to take U.S. disclaimers seriously.

14. Like Hitler, Bush takes pride in his status as a “War President,” and his global ambition makes him perhaps the most dangerous president in our nation’s history, a “rogue” chief executive capable of waging any number of illegal preemptive wars. He fully acknowledges his willingness to engage in wars of “choice” as well as wars of necessity. Sooner or later this choice will oblige universal conscription as well as a full-scale war economy.

15. Like Hitler, Bush continues to pursue war without cutting back on the peacetime economy. Additional to unprecedented low interest rates bestowed by the Federal Reserve, he has actually cut federal taxes twice by substantial amounts, especially for the top one percent of U.S. taxpayers, while conducting an expensive invasion and an even more expensive occupation of a hostile nation. As a result, President Clinton’s $350 billion budget surplus has been reduced to a $450 billion deficit, comprising an unprecedented $800 billion decline in less than four years. At the same time the U.S. dollar has steadily dropped against currencies of both Europe and Japan.

16. Like Hitler, Bush possesses a war machine much bigger and more effective than the military capabilities of other nations. With the extra financing obliged by the defeat and occupation of Iraq, Bush now relies on a “defense” budget well in excess of the combined military expenditures of the rest of the world. Moreover, the $416 billion defense package passed last week by Congress will probably need to be supplemented before the end of the year.

17. Like Hitler, bush depends on an axis of collaborative allies, which he describes as a “coalition of the willing,” in order to give the impression of a broad popular alliance. These allies include the U.K. as compared to Mussolini’s Italy, and Spain and Bulgaria, as compared to, well, Spain and Bulgaria, both of which were aligned with Germany during the thirties and World War II. As a result of their cooperation, Prime Minister Blair’s diplomatic reputation has been ruined in England, and a surprising election defeat has produced an unfriendly government in Spain. The Philippines have withdrawn their troops from Iraq to save the life of a hostage, and other defections can be expected in the near future.

18. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to go to war over the objections of the U.N. (League of Nations). His Iraq invasion was illegal and therefore a war crime as explained by Articles 41 and 42 of the U.N. Charter, which require two votes, not one, by the Security Council before any state takes such an action. First a vote is needed to explore all possibilities short of warfare (in Iraq’s case through the use of U.N. inspectors), and once this has been shown to be fruitless, a second vote is needed to permit military action. U.S. and U.K. delegates at the Security Council prevented this second vote once it was plain they lacked a majority. This was because other nations on the Security Council were satisfied with the findings of U.N. inspectors that no weapons of mass destruction had yet been found. Minus this second vote, the invasion was illegal. Bush also showed in the process that he has no qualms about bribing, bullying, and insulting U.N. members, even tapping their telephone lines. This was done with undecided members of the Security Council as well as the U.N. Secretary General when the U.S.-U.K. resolution was debated preceding the invasion.

19. Like Hitler, Bush launches unilateral invasions on a supposedly preemptive basis. Just as Hitler convinced the German public to think of Poland as a threat to Germany in 1939 (for example in his Sept. 19 speech), Bush wants Americans to think of Iraq as having been a “potential” threat to our national security--indeed as one of the instigators of the 9-11 attack despite a complete lack of evidence to support this claim.

20. Like Hitler, Bush depends on a military strategy that features a “shock and awe” blitzkrieg beginning with devastating air strikes, then an invasion led by heavy armored columns.

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21. Like Hitler, Bush is willing to inflict high levels of bloodshed against enemy nations. Between 20,000 and (more probably) 37,000 are now estimated to have been killed, as much as a ro-1 kill ratio compared to the more than 900 Americans killed. In other words, for every U.S. fatality, probably as many as forty Iraqi have died.

22. Like Hitler, Bush is perfectly willing to sacrifice life as part of his official duty. This would be indicated by the unprecedented number of prisoners executed during his service as governor of Texas. Under no other governor in the history of the United States were so many killed.

23. Like Hitler, Bush began warfare on a single front (Al Qaeda quartered in Afghanistan), but then expanded it to a second front with Iraq, only to be confronted with North Korea and Iran as potential third and fourth fronts. Much the same thing happened to Hitler when he advanced German military operations from Spain to Poland and France, then was distracted by Yugoslavia before invading the USSR in 1941. Today, bush seems prevented by the excessive costs of the Iraqi debacle from going to war elsewhere if reelected, but not through any lack of desire.

24. Like Hitler, Bush has no qualms about imposing “regime change” by installing Quisling-style client governments backed by a U.S. military occupation with both political and economic control entirely in the hands of Americans. It is no surprise that Iyad Alawi, Iraq’s current temporary prime minister, was once affiliated with the CIA and has been reliably reported by the Australian press to have executed six hooded prisoners with a handgun to their heads just a day or two before his appointment a couple weeks ago.

25. Like Hitler, Bush curtails civil liberties in captive nations and depends on detention centers (i.e., concentration camps) such as a Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, and any number of secret interrogation centers across the world. Prisoners at the camps go unidentified and have no legal rights as ordinarily guaranteed by the Geneva Conventions. They have also been detained indefinitely (for 2 ½ years already at Guantanamo Bay), though there is mounting evidence that many are innocent of what they have been charged--some, for example, having been randomly seized by Northern Alliance troops in Afghanistan for an automatic bounty from U.S. commanders. Moreover, many Iraqi prisoners have been tortured, in many instances just short of death. Recent U.S. documents disclose that as many twenty have died while being tortured, and twenty others have died under unusual circumstances yet to be determined.

26. Like Hitler, Bush uses the threat of enemies abroad to stir the fearful allegiance of the U.S. public. For example, he features public announcements of possible terrorist attacks in order to override embarrassing news coverage or to crowd from headlines positive coverage of Democratic Party activities. He also uses the threat of terrorism to justify extraordinary domestic powers granted by the Patriot Act. Even the books we check out of public libraries can be kept on record by federal agents.

27. Like Hitler, Bush depends on a propaganda machine to guarantee sympathetic news management. In Hitler’s case news coverage was totally dominated by Goebbels; in Bush’s case reporters have been almost totally “imbedded” by both military spokesmen and wealthy media owners sympathetic with Bush. The most obvious case is the Fox news channel, owned and controlled by Rupert Murdoch. Not surprisingly, recent polls indicate that the majority of Fox viewers still think Hussein played a role in the 9-11 attack.

28. Like Hitler, Bush increasingly reduces the circle of aides he feels he can trust as his policies keep boomeranging at his own expense. Just as Hitler ended up isolated in his headquarters, with few individuals granted access, Bush is now said to be limiting access primarily to Attorney General Ashcroft (who also talks with God on a regular basis) as well as Karl Rove, the Vice President, Karen Hughes, and a few others. Both Secretary of State Powell and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld are now said to be out of the loop.

29. Like Hitler, Bush has become obsessed with his vision of conflict between good (U.S. patriotism) and evil (anti-Americanism. Many in contact with the White House are said to be worried that he is beginning to lose touch with reality--perhaps resulting from the use of medication that seriously distorts his judgment. Possibly symptomatic of this concern is the increasing number of disaffected government officials who leak embarrassing documents.

30. Like Hitler, bush takes pleasure in the mythology of frontier justice. As a youth Hitler read and memorized the western novels of Karl May, and Bush retains into his maturity his fascination with simplistic cowboy values. He also exaggerates a cowboy twang despite his C-average elitist education at Andover, Yale, and Harvard.

31. Like Hitler, Bush misconstrues Darwinism, in Hitler’s case by treating the Aryan race as being superior on an evolutionary basis, in Bush’s case by rejecting science for fundamentalist creationism.

[Striker]

<snip 3 posts of pointless drivel that you obviously copied and pasted off some website>

blah blah blah

I'm sure if one bothered to look (I'm not because I don't give a shit), you could find similarities between actions Hitler took and any leader.

Hey, you know what... Hitler was a pretty decent military leader, and so was Dwight D. Eisenhower. Holy fuck!

Hey, you know what... Hitler hated Jews, and so does Osama! Holy Fuck!

Hey, you know what... Hitler was a socialist! And Hillary is one secretly!

Fuck, I don't care!

I'm not even about to claim I read all your shit, but this one did catch my eye:
Content and Download links visible to registered users only.Whoa, wait a minute... Hitler had no qualms about imposing regime change by installing Quisling-style client governments backed by a (and here's the kicker) U.S. military occupation with both political and economic control entirely in the hands of Americans? Maybe Hitler wasn't such a bad dude after all.

And that's what happens when you copy and paste talking points... you look like an idiot.

[DickandTracy]

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If he Quacks like a duck .....
The Presidency of the United States is the Highest Political Office in this country. The Presidency is the Leader of this Free World and we, the citizens, look up to him for guidance, respect and leadership. The Eyes and Ears of the World descends upon the Commander in Chief.
If you fuck up your words in speech - not once, not twice - but multiple countless times - what does that say about you as a Leader?? How can the World respect this idiocy in his speech??

Yeah - he may have graduated from Yale - but I've already addressed that.

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And I respect your honesty and appreciate this exchange in dialogue. But do keep in mind, BULLSHIT is Spewed from Both Sides!

[jizzay]

I am waiting for Shotgunner to rip this guy up. Where is my popcorn?

[Striker]

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I'm going to take a leap here and just assume you are an Obama supporter.

This is just a few of the things Obama has said:
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#2 (http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/22/AR2008072201079.html)
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I certainly hope so.
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Really? 8 to 10 years?
Oh and the best yet, video of him claiming to have visited 57 states, with one to go, not including Alaska or Hawaii. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

If Bush said half that shit, people would never stop bashing him for it.

Edit Ah and here is one where he just flat out lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D36OHolrdOg[/quote]


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[jizzay]

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Come on man, I support Obama and voted for Bush. Don't group us with this guy.

[Striker]

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hahaha sorry man. Can't be helped. :D

[jizzay]

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No prob. Just a little defensive from earlier.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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You're one to talk about fucking up the English language.

The saying is: "If it quacks like a duck". Also, 'quacks' is not capitalized.

Highest political office should not be capitalized. Also, POTUS is technically not the highest office in the United States, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court is.

The presidency is not a person. The President is a person. Also, we look to him for respect? Dumbshit.

Eyes and ears should not be capitalized. Neither should world. And from where do the eyes and ears "descend" from? Space?

"If you fuck up your words in speech"... As opposed to fucking up your words how? You're about as redundant as a slinky tumbling down an endless flight of stairs.

Do I really even need to explain how this sentence is not proper English? World should not be capitalized. Idiocy is descriptive, you're looking for "idiot" which is a noun.

Tell ya what, jerkoff... post a picture of your diploma from an Ivy League school... hell, even your letter of acceptance... and then you have room to talk about Bush.

Now, onto your idiotic (that's an adjective) comparisons between Bush and Hitler...

1) Wrong. He was elected fair and square according to the electoral college, although not by popular vote. This was upheld by a Supreme Court decision.

2) Wrong. Bush could've declared martial law, the equivalent of what was declared by Hitler after the congressional fires in Germany. But Bush didn't, did he?

3) Wrong again. He had the full support of congress when he went to war, both times. Hitler didn't. And Hitler had support from two nations. We have 41.

4) Surprise! You're WRONG! The axis members have one very important thing in common; they want us (and that means you, skippy) dead.

5) Ever stop to think that the recession may be caused by the wars? Oops....

6) He caters to the wealthy because that's how you get elected and stay in office. Everyone does that. You're an idiot.

7) Bush isn't trying to spread Americanism, he's just doing his best to rebuild a governmentally distraught nation in the best way he knows how... democratically. And rebuilding ONE nation isn't spreading Americanism, just as Germany stopping after invading Poland wouldn't have been spreading Naziism.

8) Bush isn't trying to better our nation at the expense of others, he's trying to ensure a future for our nation. Last I checked, that's a written part of his job description.

9 & 10) Sure Hitler did this, and so does Bush. But these don't even describe weak points in their leadership. This is like saying they both have brown hair and green eyes. Big fucking deal.

I could go on, but by now it must be becoming apparent that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Unlike debating Jizzay, who is an intelligent and interesting person to talk to at the very least, you're so stupid I'm surprised you are able to remember to breathe. Don't trip on your tampon string on your way out of this thread, Sally.

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Hey, nice job pulling your info from a Muslim site.

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[Kyle E. Coyote]

:D No shit? You're taking cues on how government should run from the Islamics that want to see said government fall apart? Epic.

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/fail/1/4r9p742.gif

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I have a question though... How are we rebuilding Iraq? In the vision of something successful and something that we have a lot of history with, right? Would it not be safe to say we are rebuilding Iraq in the shadow of the way the United States stands today? If we are then rebuilding it with ourselves in mind as a template-if you may- is this not cultural imperialism because we imposed.

I see cultural imperialism as an imposistion of beliefs in anyway shape or form so rebuilding a country to be democratic and ect. is just another way of spreading your culture

[BleacherCreature420]

This is hilarious..........kid walks around asking people who said this quote, our President GW, or 1960's TV Batman.............Results=hilarous


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPugAcQILRY


THE OLD MAN IS THE BEST

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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It's cultural imperialism, for sure. The only thing is, we really don't have a choice. To prevent further loss of life due to anarchy, we have to stay in Iraq and establish a governmental system. Since the USA and the UK are the two biggest players in the downfall of the old government we're forced to be the two biggest influences. Hitler invaded countries for personal gain and then rebuilt them as just another part of Germany. We invaded because that's what needed to be done, and we're rebuilding the nation as a soverign country, not "America II".

[goonarms]

I see what your saying, but it's hard to see that with all the American contractors there in Iraq that the resulting "New" Iraq is going to be not a shade of the United States. I think Iraq will be a shade of the United States but debating that is like debating that there is no good and evil just 14 shades of grey... never ending... so My question is answered so carry on

I agree as well with having to stay there... we can not up and leave that country now. Everyone with a brain and a sense of history knows the implications of leaving a country that can't even protect itself. Everyone knows there is a militant group out there just waiting in the wings to over run and control that country.

[Striker]

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Sure you could look at it like that, but the Iraqi government is not a mirror of our government. We aren't really spreading American ideals any more then we are spreading French ideals or British ideals. We are simply spreading the basic idea of a democratically elected republic type government that is therefore run by the people (in theory at least :D) instead of a solitary madman and his psycho sons.

[Striker]

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Excellent answer.

[jizzay]

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Thanks buddy, I enjoy political debates and I knew you would shred this freak to hell once you read his shit.

[jizzay]

Not to start anything, but at what point do you say to the Iraqi gov't, we have tried to maintain stability but in doing so we are costing American lives in the process and leave them to fend for themselves. Not to equate war with welfare, but if you give someone the means and opportunity to better themselves but they don't contribute is it wise to just keep giving and giving at a high cost. At what point do you cut them off and let them either succeed or fail on their own?

[Striker]

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IMO, we are getting pretty close to being able to letting them fend for themselves. The surge seems to have done wonders for making things a lot more stable over there. That being said, you still can't give any kind of public time line or date for a withdraw. Common sense says that they will just wait until that date and then all hell will break loose. You have to have the terrorists thinking that we are going to be there for the long haul and no matter what they do, we aren't leaving until the job is done and they are defeated at least to the point that the new government can fend for itself.

I would think that to some degree, we will have troops over there for a long time to come. Hell, we still have bases in Germany.

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I think if Obama wins, we'll be telling Iraq that very thing in late January. Unless he changes his mind on that too.

By the way, if you have time, dig up a recording or video of Obama talking without a teleprompter. It's a riot!

[rankamateur]

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Just when the fuck do you think Gulf War 1 happened? 1998?? You ARE a moron. By my guess, you are a little kid whose only concept of history is what some hippy junior high teacher TOLD you to think. Gulf War 1 was January 1991, and lasted less than a month.

[rankamateur]

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Here's the connection - 9/11 woke America up to the fact that militant Islamic extremists have been at war with us since 1979. Somehow, we never noticed (well, some of us) all those hijackings and hostages and the attack on the USS Cole and the first attack on the Twin Towers and the embassy bombings. It took a big one to wake us up, and we said to the Commander in Chief: "Go get them!" And that's why we're in SEVERAL countries, killing people who want to kill us.

And gee, why haven't we heard much about Osama lately? Could it be that he has become very unsuccessful at harassing us now? When's the last time Al Qaeda did anything directed at American citizens?

[goonarms]

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Oh could it be Osama is being very quiet becuase he has something good brewing and he is just waiting on it?

[BleacherCreature420]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyDvUwRalXY&eurl=http://www.dlisted.com/

wow

[jizzay]

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Josh Brolin as W? Talk about bad casting. Another bad movie by Oliver Stone.

[jizzay]

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We may be "safer", but are we better off now?

[Kyle E. Coyote]

It's all his fault, too! Never mind Congress, nevermind the FED, never mind... must we go through this again?

[Striker]

Did you verify all those numbers are current? I have a hard time beliving some of that. And how does Bush have anything to do with the cost of college... and who the fuck cares what Indonesia's approval rating of us is?

All I care about is that their sweet shops are still functioning at 100% to keep making cheap shit for us. :D

[jizzay]

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No we. the horse is dead so let's not beat it anymore. Unfortunately, I haven't come across a congress version of this. I think they choose Bush because he is the figure head of our country, you know the" Leader of the Free World "

There is no need to get your panties ruffled. It looks to be from a year or so ago, I am sure it's not accurate today, but probably way higher now.

[Choppie]

Basically, he's the "guy in charge". Thus we blame him. If a kid ends up stupid and does bad shit, we blame the parents, so it fits along the same lines.

[Omaplata]

I don't really blame Bush. Quite frankly, he's not smart enough. He comes from a politically connected family and his father set him up with the real individuals to blame, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. Anything Bush has been blamed for, they are behind 100%.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

So which Ivy League school did you graduate from?

[Omaplata]

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I will take that as a compliment, but Ivy League has nothing to do with it

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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Please don't. Bush graduated from Yale with a GPA of 2.75, so where do you get off calling him stupid?

Feel free to do so again, just post a picture of your Yale diploma and transcript first.

[Choppie]

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Actions speak louder than a GPA. Especially when your family has the money and power to buy you one.

The sad part is they had to buy him such a lousy GPA to make it believable.

[Omaplata]

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My academic credentials, which I don't need to justify to you, clearly speak for themselves. I think it's good for Bush to have supporters and I don't expect everyone to agree with me. That said, you're bragging about someone who graduated with a "C" average. Yale, to anyone who knows anything about the Ivy League, is known for being much more difficult to get into than it is for graduating with a GPA. Yale is also known as a school where admission can be purchased. Lastly, I leave you with the fact that Bush is so "brilliant" that books have been published discussing his "Bushisms" and how smart he really is. I await your typical neo-con reply though......

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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...I wonder if the second gunman on the grassy knoll had something to do with it. Or maybe Elvis paid Yale off....
:D

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If you're academic credentials are so great, why not justify them to me? Sure, you don't have to, but you'd look like less an idiot if you did.

Secondly, a 2.75 is a B+ average, not a C. Maybe admission can be bought at Yale, but grades can't.

And sure, Bush doesn't have the best handle on the English language, but he's smarter than you. That's why he's the leader of the free world and you're arguing over the internet on a porn forum. He's smarter than all of us.

If you consider a factual response that disproves your idiotic statements Neo-Conism, then I guess that's what you got.

[Omaplata]

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I'm not quite sure there is a "factual" statement in there. Quite simply, Yale is known for "giving" grades to students. Also, on a 4 point scale, a 2.75 would be a C+. A "B" in all of your classes would get you a 3.0. To say that a politician is smarter than anyone, simply because he is a politician speaks to your ignorance. By your analysis, Bush is smarter than Warren Buffet. Once again, Bush is the "leader of the free world" because he comes from a politically connected family, not because he is known as a brilliant man. In reality, even the staunch conservatives acknowledge that Cheney and Rove are calling the shots. To think otherwise is ignorant. Lastly, I graduated from college and law school with a higher gpa than our commander-in-chief, and I graduated from law school in 2 1/2 years. I'm in no way the smartest guy in the world, but I'm also not a sheep. Now go back and watch another segment of Fox News. If you would open your eyes, you would see that I'm not making any bold new assertions that haven't been proven twice over.

[Striker]

Why the fuck are you guys arguing about his GPA? Who gives a fuck? The only thing that matters are his actions, not his GPA from fucking forever ago.

He graduated from Yale so that proves he at least knows how to study well. Let's leave it at that and move on/go back to policy discussion.

[Omaplata]

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And I go back to my initial point. I don't blame Bush for the problems we are currently experiencing. In my opinion, the real blame lies with those who are acting as Bush's puppeteers, Cheney and Rove.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

So you go back to your origional point, which was wrong in the first place.

[Omaplata]

Are you by chance, or were you, in some combat based MOS in the military (perhaps an infantryman)?

[Omaplata]

Also, I love a good debate, but maybe you could enlighten me as to who has controlled policy decisions over the past 8 years? You seem to be a fairly staunch conservative, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

I was in the 26th(MEU)SOC (Marine Expeditionary Unit, Special Operations Capable) under USSOCOM for three years, and a fleet Marine for two before that. I served in Afghanistan since the war there started, then went to Iraq in 2003. I left the Marines to go to college after recouperating from wounds suffered fighting for the highway we needed to roll into Fallujah.

Bush isn't anyone's puppet. He and the Republican congress acted as a team in the first six years, and these last two he's been fighting tooth and nail with Pelosi just trying to get things done while the rest of congress goes after people like Rove (who didn't do a damn thing) and Gonzoles (who probably did). I do believe that his advisors had a lot to do with his post 9/11 decisions, but can you blame him? Who the fuck would be prepared for that? FDR, the last guy to have to deal with terrorism on our soil, did the same thing. But Bush makes his own decisions just as little or as much as any other president.

[Omaplata]

I figured you were in some branch of the armed forces and likely a combat based MOS. I'm sorry to hear that you were wounded in Iraq, but your thoughts/opinions/beliefs are spot on with a military veteran in your MOS. I'll respectfully disagree with your assessment of how the country has been run. I don't think it's insiginificant that Rove and Cheney have been around since Bush Sr. We just might get to see what Rove's role was in those US Attorney firings given the DC District Court's ruling last week saying Bush's claim of executive privilege was a bunch of bullshit. As for fighting with Pelosi (I'll disagree there as well - I think Reid and Biden give Bush much more of a fight), I think the Democrats were only reacting to public opinion. Unfortunately, we have an administration that isn't too concerned with public opinion.

[Choppie]

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So your stance is built around the idea that your "boss" is flawless, genius, and somehow both in complete control and not responsible for the bad shit that happens?

Wow....

[Kyle E. Coyote]

I know, I'm such a pawn, aren't I? :rolleyes:

No. He's not flawless but he's a good man doing his best. He has a plan, and it's getting the job done and got me out alive. He's responsible for the bad shit that happens, but only if he has control over it. You guys don't have any fucking handle on who does what in government. You probably blame the guy when it rains the day after you get your car washed. He's not in complete control, either. But with Bush, Powell, Rove, and a congress to back them up it was a lot better than it is now, but I still believe that with Bush and Patreus on the job we're in good hands. And I'd know a lot better than most of you.

[scampr]

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Succinct. End of story.

[Omaplata]

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He has never had a plan. His advisors had a plan, a shitty one at that, and he's blindly followed. Nevermind the fact that he's trying to finish something his father couldn't. People in this country didn't question things when we went into Afghanistan, but that statement changes when discussion on Iraq comes up. You're responses are typical for something with your military background. I can tell you that the people I'm closest with, JAG Officers, have a little different view of the "war on terror." As for your comment about knowing who does what in the government, you are a typical republican pawn. I can't speak to your tax bracket. Only you can determine if republican policy is really looking out for you.

[binary_jester]

Content and Download links visible to registered users only.This is the problem though, which is why nothing ever gets done. The President (and I am lumping all of them, not just Bush) gets the blame and the real cause of the problem (Congress) skates.
If you really don't like something, contact your congressman. If that doesn't work, vote the fucker out. I love people who bitch about the govt and yet have had the same congressman for 20 years.

[Choppie]

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Um....was he not the reason you got sent in the first place? How can you say someone got you out alive when he had nothing to do with it? If anything I would assume you would blame him for attempting to get you killed.
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This is about the rhetoric I'd expect from one so blinded by their own bias.
You served in the military, and thank you. But you are not a mover, nor a shaker, in Washington. Thus you know as much, or less, as the rest of us.

[Choppie]

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Oh, I don't just blame the President. Though I agree that many people do. Fuck, I blame everybody, even the people that voted for him.

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cha ching!!! that's it right there! Game over. Well put Binary!!!

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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He was the one that sent me, but I was needed. My number was up.

And I didn't mean to sound douchy just there, and I'm not blinded by bias. I just know who is responsible for making the decisions that affected me and my fellow Marines. He may not be the one determining economic policy or educationary policy, but the war is his pet project.

[Omaplata]

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Aren't we lucky to have a President that thinks it's ok to "play" with the lives of others so he can have a "pet project." It's ok though. One day we'll find those weapons of mass destruction.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Read the fucking thread before you fucking post. Read page one and then revisit your previous WMDs statement.

[Omaplata]

If you think I'm going to go back and read a page of neo-con propaganda, you've lost your mind. I'm shock that you, as someone who served in a needless war, hasn't realized that the administration in place now, the one you're following without fail, doesn't really care about you or your well being. It's the same administration that's allowing wounded soldiers, hopefully not yourself, to get less than adequate treatment. Sheep will be sheep.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Just like a Liberal to hide behind jokes an immature insults to avoid facing facts.

Actually it's not my "Neo-Conic" statements, it's about four users proving that the war is worthwhile through documented facts and quotes from various sources. But if you want to stay ignorant, by all means, go ahead.

By the way, I think you're missing Anderson Cooper.

[Omaplata]

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How many post-Iraq reports do you want to be published before you'll admit there weren't any WMD's as the public was led to believe. Do I believe that there may have been some items of concern, of course. There are several quotes from the mid to late 90's which I'll assume you're referring to. Simply because some individuals made claims or allegations doesn't mean I think it's correct. See, that's the beauty of not being a sheep. Also, if you felt I was insulting, then I'm sorry. I can't honestly don't find anything insulting about my post, but people certainly see things differently. In fact, I've tried very hard to not be insulting. The unfortunate thing is that I'm guessing you've never actually sat in a room with a member of congress, and you most likely don't personally know a member of congress. I'm fairly confident that I haven't said anything ignorant yet. I, like you, have first hand military experience. We definitely had different experiences though. I think this whole thing started with Bush insulating himself with "experienced" advisors and my claim that they were really calling the shots. I respect that you disagree with me. That's the beauty of living here, people can disagree all day long. Welcome to politics.

[scampr]

Are we talking about the sarin gas or the yellowcake or something else?

A good read:
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OMG 500 weapons found that contained or may have at one time contained mustard or sarin. Yep the same shit he's been bombing the kurds with since we were all pals. He didn't even have enough to stop the Persian if they came across the border again.

A quicker version:
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Eating yellowcake thats been sitting around awhile:
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Yep that's the stuff been sitting there for 20 years or more. At the same facility that Israel blew up, that we blew up, that we've been eyeballing since atleast 1991, or maybe before when we were friends.

If you had yellowcake could you use it in say the next year?
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You betcha if you had a few thousand centrifuges or an operating nuclear reactor. But then again you gotta enrich that shit enough to make a reactor work. After you build a reactor that will work. And then if you do it right you can hopefully get plutonium as a biproduct.
Bet I could hook that up in a week.

[dusio22]

Some people enjoy pissing people off, some people think killing others is the only way to solve a problem.

Then again, some prefer to keep their heads in the sand.

Truth is, we got in the war, we fucked it up, but we need to at least get it to a place where it won't turn into Somalia.
Then we can put our efforts into Afghanistan where they should have been in the first place.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Again.

They had enough Sarin gas to wipe out the eastern seaboard of the United States. They had this loaded in the form of bombs onto two dozen MiG-25 Foxbats (from the USSR) loaded with spare fuel tanks (filled) and buried under a tarp in the desert. Programmed into the guidance systems and GPS units of these craft? Maps of the West. Britain, Canada... The USA.

According to the UN treaties, they were not allowed these weapons. That means that an invasion was more than warranted, according to UN doctrines it was the right course of action.

And if they had Uranium, Uranium processing plants and WMD construction plants, what the fuck makes you think WMDs aren't buried in the desert as well? A sister battalion to mine found the MiGs on accident (while a marine was digging the shitter he hit a tailfin). In all probability we just havent digged a shitter near enough to Saddam's arsenal to find it.

Then of course there's the handwritten correspondence from Bin Laden's aides and Lieutenants thanking Saddam for letting their up n' coming martyrs train in Iraq.

Ya know, you guys are right, we did fuck up.... :rolleyes:

[Omaplata]

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So should we go into Iran right now as well? How about China? North Korea maybe? Maybe we should police the world. Wait a second, Bush Sr. didn't start wars with any of those countries. I get it now. Thanks for taking the time to clear all of that up.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Iran, maybe. NK is talking things out peacefully, and China poses no threat.

This has turned from "healthy debate" to "argue with someone that doesn't know fact from fiction" to "complete departure from reality". Either speak in truths or don't speak, eh?

[Omaplata]

I think we just have different opinions. I say we just agree to disagree. No harm, no foul. My bad if I came across like a dick.

[dusio22]

Don't you just love blind patriotism and 'facts' quoted by one guy on the a forum that have never been reported anywhere else.

You telling me Fox News wouldn't have reported all those wmd finds?

ok.

[Glen Quagmire]

What I love is how these guys worship a deserter and a draft dodger as their great war leaders.

[Choppie]

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Any proof to back that load up?

[dusio22]

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Bravo! that's about as to the point as it gets.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Google is our friend. :D

http://www.googlefirst.com/image.php?text=Sarin gas found in Iraq&image=lol.jpg

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Look for five minutes and you'll have more than enough information on Sarin bombs, nerve gas artillery shells. And here's pics of the MiGs, all 40 of them.

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And once again, using the newfangled Googler-hicky-mabober, here's info on a definitive link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.

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[Kyle E. Coyote]

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God dammit, when are you guys gonna stop saying this made up shit?

Bush had completed his flight training in the Air National Guard for the last six months of the Vietnam War. With six months to go in the war, he was going to be sent to South Vietnam. However, there was a problem; he didn't know how to fly an F-4 Phantom, just a Lockheed T/A-101. To be qualified to go to war, he had to know how to fly the Phantom. The training took six months to complete. By the time he had finished, troops were being sent home en masse. There was no reason for him to go, so he didn't.

According to Colonel William Campenni, then a lieutenant in the squadron: "The Bush excusal in 1972 was further facilitated by a change in the unit's mission, from an operational fighter squadron to a training squadron with a new airplane, the F-101, which required that more pilots be available for full-time instructor duty rather than part-time traditional reservists with outside employment."

Bush was a reservist with outside employment.

Also, PENTAGON RECORDS cleared Bush back in 2004.

[Choppie]

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I see plenty on the gas, but nothing on how it was supposed to be more of a threat now than ten years ago. Show me where it says he was capable of taking out our eastern seaboard. All I see is the planes, some old ass info on the chemical weapons WE KNEW they had, and some more conjecture.

Personally I think you've seen one too many sci-fi original pictures based on war.

[Choppie]

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About the same time you quit pulling "facts" out of your ass.

[dusio22]

I like the way he knows that Iraq and al qaeda were linked, yet the bush administration was forced to admit it never found a link.
They aren't even of the same sect of Islam. Saddam was afraid of al qaeda, they only reason he wanted the world to think he had WMD's was to stop Iran from invading him. His own intelligence chief said so.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

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Do you even watch the news? The CIA proved the link about two days ago.

Oh, and if one of Saddam's cronies said so....

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It was a threat eighteen years ago, that's why he was supposed to... no, was ordered to... have given it up by UN Resolution 687 in 1991. He instead buried them in the desert.

0.01 miligram/kg can kill a human. Sarin is an airborne gas that spreads everywhere the wind blows, has no known cure, is utterly irreversible and is 500 times more potent than cyanide. Saddam's MiGs, all 40, had two Sarin bombs totaling a half ton of the gas in liquid form. Scientists have estimated that one jet's payload could have taken out an area the size of New York state. Now multiply that by 40, and you have the whole eastern seaboard and then some. I'm not saying Saddam would have been coordinated enough to pull this off or that he would have succeded, but if he had it would've made 9/11 look like a bad car wreck.

Sarin has only claimed the lives of two Marines in Iraq so far thanks to our swiftness in invading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin_gas

Any more questions about Sarin's potency look up the Tokyo subway attacks.

[Choppie]

Again, offering the infallible source that is wiki. I see that sarin gas is harsh, but I also see that most people agree that there was no way if could have gotten here.


So, again, how was this any more of a threat now than a decade ago?

You've some great streamlined rhetoric and a very bully the point across mentality, but you forget...we're on the internet. You can rant and bully all you want, I am not buying shit unless you offer proof. Most colleges won't even recognize wiki as a decent reference.

So he had the gas, buried under the desert, is it still potent after all this time in the freakin desert.

Oh, and those two Marines would still be alive if Bushy boy would have just "stayed the course" and "finished the job" that was Bin Laden.

[Kyle E. Coyote]

I'm not bullying anything, the point just doesn't seem to be taking.

The MiGs are how the gas would have gotten here. Saddam could dig them up over a long weekend and use them. They were fueled, loaded with Sarin and ready to go.

It's no more a threat now than ten years ago... but it was a fucking huge threat ten years ago when he threatened to use them the first time. That's the whole purpose of the UN resolution. The UN doesn't cover jaywalking violations, just legitimate threats to humanity. They recognized the threat twenty years ago, and that threat (while no bigger) is still very legitimate.

And I only used Wiki as a source for Sarin gas. You can find the information any number of places, but don't rely on me to spoonfeed this shit any more. Want proof then look it up your damn self.

[dusio22]

I don't know what cia link you are talking about, but all that has been in the news is reports that the white house asked the cia to fabricate a link between the two.

if your evidence is so fucking strong, why do so many people dispute that he had the weapons?

[Kyle E. Coyote]

Because a lot of people are idiots. 60-some percent of Americans don't know how to spell 'cul de sac'. And of course there's speculation that the link was fabricated. There's also speculation that the CIA killed Kennedy and Monroe.

[scampr]

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FAIL

read post #96. That's only 10 before yours. The same fuckin document is there!

and FAIL AGAIN
and this one is much better. Yeh READ the document. "Pre-Gulf War degraded munitions". You can also read a lot more about it in the detailed CIA brief in the same post!

The beauty of this debate is really in this mighty air armada that was "gassed up and ready to go" all the way to the eastern seaboard. That has got to be the funniest shit ever. A colossal fail so much better than yours that I almost feel bad for pointing yours out.
1. EVERY report. Even the wackos suckin neocon wang all report that they were buried under ten feet of sand with their wings removed!

2. Just try to fathom this mighty airforce getting dug up, prepped for flight and airborne. Yes imagine this while we have the most kick ass air lock on 75% of the country. Imagine this while not one but atleast 6 nations sigint and satint services have thousands of eyes and ears on Iraq. Then imagine this amazing crew of pilots getting past atleast three permanent mediterranean fleets. Yep that amazing airforce that couldn't get one plane aloft when the current war started. That amazing airforce that left everything they had on the ground to get waxed.

Yes someday, 20 years from now, when we had decided Saddam was our friend again because we really wanted him to have another war with Iran we might have quit watching long enough for those planes to get airborne. And the Israelis could have all been asleep and we would have had to shoot them down all by our selves with a squadron from say the Nimitz. But yep if everything magically fell just right those planes could have made it out of Iraqi airspace. But they'd probably have just bombed Iran.

[dusio22]

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And the other 40% blindly believe everything their president tells them.

[mc_coolbeans]

"Georgia conflict"

Bush:
" hey bud, how bout you, ugh, get outta georjuh... that'd be nice of ya... he he."
Putin:
"how bout you get out of iraq."
Bush:
"ehhh... why you bringin up old shit? we aint talkin bout me right now."

thats what ive been imagining for the past few days

[scampr]

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you're giving too much credit.
Bush's first call was to his brother. "You better git yer butt outta Florida cuz those fuckers are right across the way!"

[DickandTracy]

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Gee - thanks for correcting my grammar way back on thread #43 -
I must say your English is certainly Ivy League like Dubya!

Hugs and kisses!
:)

[nachos1345]

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What kind of douchebag responds to a six month old comment?

[n2tattoos.lol]

he's been fucked in the mouth so many times, the herps gone to his brain. leave the poor kid alone.

[nachos1345]

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I didn't realize mouthfucking lead to brain damage.

[Timbar]

This thread is now irreverent or is it? Who is really in control?

[nachos1345]

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Who fucking cares?